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colin
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 102
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Originally posted by Spockie-Tech:
I take it that anyone who has a problem with events past, is prepared to volunteer to be a referee/judge/safety inspector for the
entire
of the next event ? No ? Then you know someone who will ? No ? Perhaps you'd like to offer to pay someone to do that job then ? No again ? Then just what
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you suggesting we do apart from bitching about it wthout a solution ?
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To everyone else, I agree that in many events past, count-outs, seperation, pinning and other aspects of match control have been below par, The problem is simple.. we dont have any non-competitors who are prepared to volunteer their services to be judges & referees who are also sufficiently familair with the rules & proceedures.
At the last robowars event I offered to do something. I talked to you (from memory) quite a few weeks before, asking is there was anything I could do. You gave me nothing.
On the day of the event I offered again. You seemed lost for anything that I could do and told me the lights needed to be put up, so I put them up. I never once heard about a referee shortage, I was never asked to judge. I don't see why I couldn't do a tech inspect of the bots, but was never offered that.
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Originally posted by chrisjon65:
....its hard enough to get someone sweep the f@#$ing floor at our events cause everyone has their heads up the arse of a robot
I sweep the floor a bit, I didn't have a bot.
Events are going to keep going this way unless there is a dedicated event organiser.
*shrugs*
whatever floats your boat, i guess...
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:36 pm |
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the moth
Experienced Roboteer
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 130
Location: Melbourne
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Scoopy doo: On both occasions that a seperate was called for at Rye - scoopy was involved for the same reason . The forward base plate on scoopy had slightly seperated from its mounting and the other two bots had a similar problem with their lower armour . Both "pieces" of metal became entangled and NEITHER robot could do more than twitch . To the crowd this appeared to be Scoopy trapping the other bots - but in fact it wasn't . When I seperated the bots on both occasions ,substantial force was required to seperate them and I eventually had to put my foot on one and force them apart . Scoopy is not desinged to entrap , but both incidents were predominatly caused by low ground clearence and battle damage.
I have taken over the running of Victorian events in a attempt to reduce the many problems that are present in our compertition at this point . The cost of this is simple - I cannot "run" my own robot during events , because there is way too many other things to keep under control at a public event . I give my own robot over to a volunteer team that realy only see's "vincent" at a event and I have to ignore their problems and needs untill the event finishes . At the last event (Rye) my team nearly destoyed Vincent in the pits (accidently) mainly due to lack of experiance with him . When they came to me for help - I had to send them away knowing that would probably cost my team the event . When you "run" a public event - it needs your complete focus and you really need to "think on the run" as many more things happen in the background than you think .
Volunteers are hard to come by , and those who do are gratefully appriceated . To run a event you need many people and resourses . Builders can help by "cycling" their bots before I have to nag them - every bot that isnt ready makes our job harder . If you want to help - I'll find you a job .
Many problems are present in all our competitions and as each event progresses - we will target our problems one at a time .
I will interperate the "entrapment /stuck rule" as follows
The only person who knows whether the bots are stuck or they can release , is obviously the drivers . so the call for release must come from the driver first - it will no longer come from a judge first . The driver calling for release needs to make sure the judge KNOWS he has called for it . We will start a 30 sec timer and the other bot has to release you and move away (over 30cm) ,then it is free to attack you again . If the bot isnt released before 30 sec then the match will be stopped and the bots returned to their start points on opposing sides of the arena (This is basically a penalty for causing us to stop the fight and enter the arena ) . Entrapment / Stuck will not apply in the final 30sec of a match (obviously). Hopefully we wont have to police this to heavily. To aid in this solution I will EVENTUALLY get buttons fitted to the drivers positions and slaved to a timer clock / light combo so every one clearly knows . "Tap out" buttons will also be fitted , but all these things cost money and take time to build / test / fit .
Arena Obstacles
During the Rye event empty barrels were present in the arena . One of the highlights of the Rye event was a empty barrel being flipped on to a robot during the finals - the crowd roared . In fact the crowd roared just as loud as they may have if a robot had been dismembered . Action not dismembership is what the crowd loves . The large barrel could obscure too much of a drivers veiw so it will be taken out in competition events but the two smaller barrels will remain at Rye and one barrel at Sidetracked . Some people may argue that this disadvantages spinners , but in reality they can be used by all bots . A well driven pushy bot could put the barrel into a spinners weapon , but a well driven spinner could ovoid this and attack anyway . In fact a well driven spinner could use a barrel to restrict the escape room of their oppenent.
Time forfeits
Assuming the minimum time between fights has passed and your fight has been called to the arena by the organisers , then you will need to be there . If your opponent is in the arena and you are not there within 60 sec then the option to forfeit you will be given to your oppenent . If you are not there within 3min you lose . We will apply this rule with a good understanding of the problems that can present themselfs at times. But you need to understand that competition means exactly that . A well built robot and a well prepared team will not find this a problem . No competition allows the unprepared - unlimited time . Make sure you have enough batteries for a event and find a way to charge them fast . Build your bot so that it can dissasembled easily and have minor repairs completed quickly . As the year goes on we will police this more heavily.
Enjoy _________________ Some people pass cars - some people get passed by cars
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:03 pm |
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