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kato



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...I'm going to give myself 2 hours to get though security and teach the security guys some maths.

Take your own gloves and lube.

Post Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:55 pm 
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...I'm going to give myself 2 hours to get though security and teach the security guys some maths.

Take your own gloves and lube.


XD, AFP will provide the pineapples.

You should get someone to go with you to the airport and take a 2nd bag packed with your featherweight stuff just in case you can't get the heavyweight over. Would suck to go all that way with nothing :p
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The 30lb class was never opened. But I have entered Fury Jr and Vendetta Jr in the 150g class. So I have 2 out of the 14 150g antweights entered so far, which should give me a good chance for a medel. We all know Huntsman won't win. No way I can beat Sewer Snake, Last Rights or Tuoro Maximus Rolling Eyes

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I'd be tempted to give an extra hour.
Also ring the airport/airline and tell them your going to be coming with all this stuff and you will be there at some particular time would they like to make an appointment at security. Then you can get the security people with 3/4ths of a brain who might actually know the rules.
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Arn't the Civil Aviation Regs up to carrier and securely discretion ?

Thank god I do not have to deal with civil regs much at work.

Just make sure you have the latest IATA, I remember something passing over my desk about IATA and some changes for 2012.

+1 to Valen's idea if you plan to be honest about what you are carrying (As you seam to be which is good, +1 for airsafety).
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http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dangerous_goods/Documents/Guidance-Document-on-the-Transport-of-Li-Batt-2012-V1.1.pdf
http://safetravel.dot.gov/quick_chart.html
For some reason I read that as being:
LiPol (Lithium Ion) = Yes
A123 (Lithium Metal) = No
Strange

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From your first link


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Lithium metal batteries. Are generally primary (non-rechargeable) batteries that
have lithium metal or lithium compounds as an anode. Lithium metal batteries are
generally used to power watches, calculators, cameras, etc;


From http://www.efirstpower.com/li.html and Wikipedia is the same ( go find a better sourse for security inspection )


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and the anodes are generally made of carbon.


The Cathode on an A123 is however a lithium compound.

If you are still not sure check out the UN Classifications. To my knowledge they are what is used for all air transport (including civil )

UN3090 and UN3480.

A123 MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) also describes A123 cells as lithium ion http://www.falconev.com/A123_MSDS.pdf

I could be wrong, How did you come to the conclusion A123 is lithium metal and therefore No?
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Haha. I've been on the phone all day with the airline trying to confirm how many batteries I can take. We have agreed that I can take my 2 big batteries but he is confused if I'm allowed to take the small ones. These guys are limited to the shape of the batteries. Rectangle batteries are maybe ok, round batteries maybe arn't. Don't confuse them with cathodes, they just look at the pictures.

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Despite the fact you can probably claim cylinder type are actually NiCad or NiMH if wrapped and the person does not know a great deal about batteries thus far more lax travel restrictions ? Interesting.

The A123 MSDS even states some transport restrictions and instructions, Have you tried getting airport security to have a look at an MSDS?
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.a123systems.com%2F3f1b3962-a071-4560-ba03-f16f9415fdf0%2Fdownload.htm&ei=8AV0T8zPNqyTiAfh-ZHkDw&usg=AFQjCNG14vEFTWZGkcT-Znm6Z-PyeW8Fnw

I would say as a generalisation, Round batteries are far safer then flat batteries silly security people. Surely there is someone with an engineering degree.
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Are you still after a pallet or not?
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No thank you Phillip. I got a pallet for my birthday but it is too heavy, so I'm making my own wooden box

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Shipping has been booked. Sending the robot with DHL, leaving here on the 10th.

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Arrghhhhhh!!!
I ordered some brass screws to make the power switches and a tap to thread the ends of the axle from Bolts & Industrial. Unfortuanly none of my housemates were awake to collect the mail, so it got sent to be collected at the post office. Connie went to pick it up before the post office closed on thursday and got told it was sent to a different post office then the one written on the card. I just went for a drive and I can't find the post office at the address listed and the closest one won't open until tuesday. But the crate with the robot is being picked up on tuesday morning.
So I'm going to have to keep the main axle and power switches here when the robot is sent so I can finish them.

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