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Eidg



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Well it is indeed really important to set tolerances, if they are important for the function.
I alway send a .step or .dxf dataset with the parts.
And of course your drawing shuold be, as clear as possible, especially if you send the parts to china or so.
The machinists at a proper company, in west europe, normally nows the norm tolerances, which for example are used for holes etc...

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MoonSet416



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Thanks for the info.

I do have a question though... Is tolerance a part of the .step or .dxf files, or do you have to specify it somewhere else?

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Hey, Eidg has good advice.

Depends on the shop and the part. Simple parts only need a drawing generally as they are done using conversational programming at the machine.

Complex parts need the step or iges file so they can use CAM to generate the toolpaths.

If the part has tapped holes you need to specify the thread and how deep it goes (not the hole depth usually), a bearing bore needs a tolerance, h7 for example and shafts too (H7 lets say). Keep it simple - having too many dimensions and tolerances everywhere makes it very confusing.

For 99.999% of robot wars stuff just specify h7 on your bearing bores and the tapped hole thread and depth and the parts should be okay. I think this machine shop you use is no good! very very rare to get parts so dramatically poor from an actual machine shop. At worst maybe some sizes are a bit off or they forget to tap one or two holes or something..
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Eidg



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Normally i draw the model centerline, for example 10 +/- 0.05,
except from special tolerances as h7/H7 like Glen said before.
Depending on which cad you use, there are several options.
I ALWAYS sending a drawing, including all measuremets and descriptions like materials, aditional instructions and general tolerances, at pdf format.
The reason why i do this is really simple....
If you have problems with the parts, and there are out of tolerance, you can verify with the drawings whats wrong.

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I agree - a PDF drawing with dimensions and notes is a cheap insurance policy.
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Thanks guys.

EDIT: Another question I forgot to ask: what kind of thread depth (and the relation between thread depth and actual hole depth) do you usually specify? I noticed in Solidworks that it will tend to automatically have a very deep hole but relatively shallow threads. Does it have anything to do with ease of machining or something like that?

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Yes, it all has to do with ease of machining and strength of thread.
M6 needs X*6mm thickness to get full strenght.

Guideline for thread-depth.
Steel, titanium, stainless 1 time diameter strenght
Aluminium, good grade, 2 times
Brass and bronze 1.5 times
PA6 (glassfibre filled nylon) 3 times.

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Having a deep hole compared to the depth of the thread makes threading slightly easier and more reliable as there is somewhere for the chips to go as the tap cuts the thread. That's more important for a gun point tap (my favourite type) and let's the machinist cut the thread in one go without clogging up the tap's flutes and possibly snapping it.

Another possible reason is so that a starter tap (which has 7 to 10 tapered threads at the tip) can be used to cut the entire thread. That means there will be up to 10 partially cut threads at the bottom of the hole.
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Ah I see... Thx.

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Update:

Finally some progress on Contraption! The frame parts arrived several days ago but I was missing some parts, which I spent an afternoon at a local machine shop to rebuild. Just installed the drive motors and did a drive test. The brushless system seems to work just fine.

Sidenote: Last time the machine shop contacted me they said they milled a lightning pocket on the wrong side. This time on the final frame both pockets on the sides of the chassis are on the wrong side... Ugh...

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MoonSet416



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Ugh what's worse than having a fever on the day of departure...

Can't go the the FMB event now. What are some other events before this year's Robowars Australia?

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That's terrible news, can you delay a day and still make it? The only featherweight event I know of in the near future is Motorama in the USA, There are still 2 open entries but you will have to be quick - its on Feb 16th.
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Well, the situation here is a bit worse than I thought: just realized that it's all snowy here and flights are getting canceled. (Me having a fever didn't matter after all...)

Will def look into Motorama, thx for the info.

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The FMB stream has been dead so I took some time to see how much does a plane ticket to Harrisburg costs. I guess I might be better off making a sportsman and gain more fighting experience.

Some early concepts : two wheels (same drive as Contraption), single motor lifter-grabber (like Gagusnake), and made out of laser cut steel plates and nut strips to minimize cost and assembly.

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Nutstrip is a good option, except that it takes up a surprising amount of room inside the frame. You just have to take that into account when designing and you will be fine.
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