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Totaly_Recycled
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@Brett dont convert to many you might be out of a job lol Very Happy

Post Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:36 pm 
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That has occurred to me.. Smile However, I do have more interesting and constructive things to do in my job than clean up messes created by malware.

@Philip. I do come across as a bit full on at times, but IMO owning a computer that is connected to the internet does place some responsibility on you to make a little effort to keep it in reasonable running order, since the average users "I dont care" attitude is contributing towards making the 'net a dangerous annoying place to be.

I bet if someone said "I dont care if my car is roadworthy, safe, doesnt pour out smoke all over everybody else or makes the roads a dangerous place to be" that people would take exception to that comment.

Well, your computer *is* your car when you are on the net, you are expected to not screw it up for everyone else.

Thats how I really feel about it. Razz
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Post Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:06 pm 
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I'd rather be working on servers and corporate systems instead of dickin around with spyware and virus's for people "who don't care" and only pay pocket change anyway Cool

Dealing with the public is a pain in the ass, they always want more for less, and never appreciate the work you do, and if something goes wrong, they instantly blame you, even though it was them who downloaded the virus and they kept turning the firewalls off... That's why I ditched my own business and now work for a big company where I get appreciated and looked after Very Happy (Free lunch with the boss today, conference trips to the Sheriton Mirage Resort last year Very Happy)

I still dither into a bit of local work for cheap pocket change ($25/hr) just for people I know, but I don't think I could do it full time again Razz Being a computer techie is fun, but everyone expects you to be able to fix anything and everything, and it has to be done yesterday...

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I bet if someone said "I dont care if my car is roadworthy, safe, doesnt pour out smoke all over everybody else or makes the roads a dangerous place to be" that people would take exception to that comment.
You must really hate those people who own the old cars with the four wheel drum brakes, no air bags, poor fuel efficiency, etc.
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Air bags, fuel efficiency and drum brakes dont affect other peoples enjoyment of the road, only the end-users experience. (Drum brakes actually work quite well unless you are race driving)

Crappy internet software messes up the net for everyone else who bothers to be standards compliant and secure..

This *is* getting a little out of hand Wink

I didnt mean to turn it into a flame fest, just to point out to Wazio that there are usually some good reasons to listen when skilled IT people tell you that you should really should avoid a particular product and coming back at them with "I dont care" can not be expected to go down too well.
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Think you have missed the point Philip.
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Philip just knows how to use a spoon Very Happy

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Guys and gals. IE7 is a large improvement. IE7 looks a lot like Firefox now, and that is a good thing. If your system gets invaded by spyware and adware through IE7, then it is a severe case of PBKAC. The "O look if i shoot the duck i get a free laptop" ad clicking people. Those are the kind of 12 'o clock flashers who should be given a playdoh set and a stack of playboy magazines and not be allowed to come anywhere near a computer. No browser can withstand these idiots.

Yes, Firefox is IMHO still the better browser, but even that does not mean it is any safer or less safe then IE7.

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Philip just knows how to use a spoon Very Happy



I suspected that but I thought I better give him the benefit of the doubt, be easier if he would use smiles. Smile
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IE7 is a large improvement. IE7 looks a lot like Firefox now, and that is a good thing. Yes, Firefox is IMHO still the better browser, but even that does not mean it is any safer or less safe then IE7.


Rolling Eyes so why is it better then ?

Microsoft after ignoring everyones complaints and sitting on their arse for years ("why bother, theres no alternative for users and we dont get paid for it"), Finally noticed that people were abandoning them in large numbers as alternatives began to appear, so they put in a half-hearted token gesture for some security (a sandbox, how appropriate), poorly copied a few of the innovative features that the other browsers developed (tabs, rss), changed the icons around a bit and released IE7 to stem the stampede away from them

Provided of course you have bought one of their latest operating systems - it wont run on anything except Vista, XP or Server 2003.. way to go for customer support Microsoft.

Still doing nothing to improve compatibility (they dont *want* you to be able to use other browsers), speed, continued to lie about how it cant be removed from the operating system and generally kept right on behaving like Microsoft usually do.

Yay, what an improvement.. Rolling Eyes

I've been having to deal with the problems resulting from other Microsoft-Lock-In" tactics at a clients premises recently, so MS are not my favourite company right now.. hence the ranting - I'll split it off into the off-topic/flamewars area if you would like your website thread decluttered a bit Wazio.. Wink
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Personally i think you should pass a licence test before your internet is connected.
question 1)
will clicking on some flashing banner ever get you anything other than screwed?
a) yes
b) no
c) lol
d) "click?"
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LoL… Holy moly! Yall are serous about the internet. Sheesh, if it makes you feel better one of my best friends is the head of the IT department at the MGM here in town. Whenever I get a new computer he loads a ton of anti virus and spy stuff onto it and I have yet to have a problem. He also comes to my house a few times a week and plays on my computers where he takes a peek and makes sure everything is running correctly. And if should something bad happen to one of my computers that is why I buy the service warrantee, so all problems are free to fix.

I don’t mind all the talking in here. I just wanted to post that my new site was up. I did that, so it has served its purpose. And to answer Valen it just depends on how fast the banner is flashing and if it has bright colors. I know it’s a long shot, but I am going to have to sayyyy.. ummmmm C AND D ?

I know how to settle this. Yall come down to RoboGames and I will put an IE7 sticker robot and yall can put a sticker of your preferred browser on your robots then we will throw them in the area and see who wins! Very Happy

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lol at least while this thread is active more people will come for a sticky and see your site link Very Happy

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Laughing
Yes, we computer geeks do tend to get a bit passionate about things that affect us..

Just like any specialist in their trade, we take the trouble to learn whats good, whats not and why.. I am aware that to people who just want to use computers, getting into passionate debates about program A vs program B may seem incredibly boring.

But trust me, if it wasnt for people like us, your computer would be going in a direction that would make you wonder just whose computer it actually is.

There are some pretty serious corporate forces out there who see a computer as a way to "open up and monetize new content channels to consumers" or in other words - open a virtual pipeline into your wallet and are doing their best to "develop "trusted" computing platforms" (Thats where the corporations can trust that your computer wont do anything *they* dont want it to.. Like play a video that hasnt been digitally signed as having been paid for, or hasnt come through one of their "authorised pipelines") yada yada.

So excuse us if we occasionally get a bit full on when it comes to battling corporations in cyberspace to maintain our digital freedoms.. You may not care, but fortunately, there are those who do care enough to shout and scream when a company releases programs and operating systems that are designed to take away your freedom and turn it into cashflow for them.

Its the people who *do* care enough to stand up for freedom (in all its forms) that help keep the internet a relatively free public space instead of a corporate-run shopping mall where you need to get your credit card out before you can so much as sit down.

Microsoft (and their software) are one of those companies whose goal is to turn every piece of data that flows into your computer into a commodity that can be charged for.. IE is just one piece of their strategy for doing so.

Imagine if Ford started building cars that would only take you where they wanted you to go.. by supporting only IE7, you are contributing to making your little piece of the internet accessible only to people who drive Microsoft cars, and then dont care that you have done so. Just a little more effort on your part will ensure that people who choose to drive something other than Microsoft cars arent locked out of your road.

Yes, we care about the internet.. luckily for the people who dont, yet still benefit from our passion.
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Indeed~ Smile

I do understand yall's point of view, however something such as learning and installing a new explorer system dose not take a high priory on my personal list of ‘to-do’s”. I am too busy working long days, spending time with my lady and guy friends, family, house work and of course bot’n! But, just to make you happy I will allocate some time to check out your new fangled firefox thing a magie. OK!?!?!!?!? Seems like you might be getting a little bent out of shape over the whole thing… No need to get all mad!

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