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teamspunout
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Brett, you may like some early stuff by Tangerine Dream. They're a german progresdive rock/krautrock and from primarily the 70s. Their album "Goblin's Club" (IIRC either 1983 ir 1993) is a beautiful album with plenty of soundscaping with no vocals.
Im into anything that isnt mainstream. My big favourites at the moment are the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Joy Division, Interpol, early Modest Mouse, early The Hives (both for a different genre of music they were producing at the time), Kraftwerk (again, their 1970s stuff which was mroe krautrock than techno), Einstuerzende Neubauten & Red Jezebel.
Mm-hmm. _________________ There are three kinds of people; those who class people well, those who don't and...aw crap.
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Spockie-Tech
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Simon Posford (Hallucinogen) is amazing live, but Earthcore isnt the place to do it. Simon would have to be my #1 favourite musical artist, but *I* didnt go to Earthcore to hear him.. why ?
Earthcore has gotten too big for my liking.. I used to go to every single one back from when they started up until about 2 years ago.. They were fantastic when they used to get 500-1000 people to them, OK when it was 1000-2000 people, and ever since they started getting 5000+ people they have totally lost what I liked about them..
To me, a party is where you invite your friends, friends of friends and new people who you would like to meet and have fun with. You dont go down the local pub and stick a big sign on the wall saying "Huge Party at Joe's place.. Everybody come and bring your dog too" (which is what Earthcore's advertising is like these days).
The result is that the place is now majorly infested with lots of very un-fun people to be around.. Yobbo's who's idea of a good night out is a couple of slabs, a good punch-on and a drunken stagger across the dance floor crashing into people and groping any cute girls who might be stupid enough to be there. Which is why I stopped going.. Hallucinogen or not.. (it was a tough decision, but I knew from past experience that it wouldnt be any fun regardless of how good the tunes were)
If you want to check out a much better outdoor dance party, the Rainbow Serpent Festival - http://www.rainbowserpent.net/ has a much nicer vibe to it. Its still a little big for my liking but the type of people who go to it are generally much friendlier than the Earthcore Crowd.
Ideally of course, you'll find me at the much smaller parties where the vibe is great, but then you dont get the big $ names live at them since they dont have the budgets to bring them in from overseas.. ah well.. _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:26 am |
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Spockie-Tech
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heh, your sister was pretty cute if I remember her from RoboWars 2003..
"Big Day Out" sucks.. like I said, I'm not into *big* parties.. I dont see the point in putting 20 totally different crowds all at the one party and charging a fortune for tickets.. you might as well just put a roof over 20 different nightclubs at once and call it a huge single party.. except of course the promoters get to make more money by trying to attract every different musical taste of people to the one place..
Dope is a problem with particular people, not any particular chemical. Some people will find a way to mess themselves up whether its with legal Alcohol, Nicoteine, or any of the illegal ones. You get idiots no matter where you go, its just the amount of them that vary from place to place..
Music is audible solidified emotion. Some people like to be angry and violent, other prefer beauty and happiness, some like it sad and slow. some like it all at different times.. It all depends on where you like your mind to be at right now.
See what you think of this one..
http://www.wsc.net.au/t/mystery-track-01.mp3
if you like it, PM me and I'll tell you who it is.. _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:39 pm |
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Knightrous
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Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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Location: NSW
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Quite a nice song Brett, I have hunch that it's from Sphongle (SP?) from the Mystery of the Yeti realease. I'm probably wrong, but that's my hunch!
You prove a very good point kero's, the only thing I'll argue is that your now comparing live music with pre recorded music. I'm sure Brett can back this up, when ever you hear a DJ playing some live techno, it's very rare you hear the song the same way twice. I like computer generated music because of the unlimited amount of sounds that can be generated over the traditional instrumental pieces. But on the other hand, I enjoy stuff like War of the Worlds which is a brilliant piece of work produced by Jeff Wayne, and it wasn't computer generated either.
I believe everyone channels into music differently, so that is why we have such variant tastes.
Brett, can you upload Alpha Centauri for just 1 day please _________________ https://www.halfdonethings.com/
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:28 pm |
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Spockie-Tech
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You're very enititled to your opinions Mr Kero's, but I've had that argument many times before and its definitely not true.
Computers do not write music. People Do. The same type of people (in general) that play traditional instruments. Whether you are pushing buttons, turning knobs, sliding sliders, beating on bits of skin, plucking strings or huffing down a tube makes no difference at all. They're all just mechanical tools for expressing yourself with.
Keyboards are velocity sensitive, knobs can be turned and slider slid with plenty of emotion and feeling.. HAve you ever heard of a Theremin ? A D-Beam ? Touch Controllers ? Bend-Wheels ?
While some techno music *is* very slowly varying repetitive patterns (deliberately done to induce a trancelike mindstate), lots of other stuff has more human flourishes in it than you could poke a stick at, and when you listen to it on a CD, yes it doesnt change at all from one day to the next. Listen to a good electronic musician live and there is as much artist/audience interaction and set to set variation as any "traditional" musician has.
a friend (who writes electronic music) of mine's dad is a classical pianist and he has listened to a lot of electronic music and while he hates the sounds we use and much prefers his violins etc, he will admit that the structure and expression in the tracks is as good as any.. he just doesnt like the sounds that go with the structure;s.
Thats fine, I dont expect everyone to like the sounds.. I dont like Wine myself, it all tastes like different varieties of vinegar to me, but I understand that to a more educated palette there are many subtleties that can be detected, discriminated and enjoyed..
A good analogy I like to use is that if you dont speak italian, then somone reading a stock report in italian and someone reading shakespeare in italian will both sound exactly the same to you. Once you understand the language, *then* the differences in beauty become apparent..
Electronic music is much the same. let me assure you, the emotion *is* in there, Its just not where you are used to finding it. _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:34 pm |
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