The MC is the referee to count out, call time out for separations etc. If the crowd chant Pit Pit Pit he can pull the leaver.
Yes maybe the judging sheet consists of a place for the winning bots comp number.
If the ranking table runs on numbers it might make sense to put the bots number on it. _________________ Satisfaction is proportional to effort and results.
Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:17 pm
decalkins
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 69
quote:Originally posted by Daniel:
I still reakon we should use audiance members as judges and not give them any guide lines. Grab 9 at random and if one has to leave get another one. Gets the audiance more envolved and if you loose it was because you wern't entertaining enough. Hmmmm, Aaron won't like that.
Now you wouldn't have fans/audience members referee at cricket, or ARF, or football, or soccer? Why would you want them judging our events?
A professional sport deserves professional officials.
Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:59 pm
Daniel Experienced Roboteer
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I guess you've never been to Australian football match.
So we can't trust the builders and we can't trust the audience and we have no proper judges. We're screwed.
Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:27 pm
Spockie-Tech Site Admin
Joined: 31 May 2004
Posts: 3160
Location: Melbourne, Australia
(excluding competitors), I'd say the two Marc's (Marc DeCarlo the cameraman, and Marc Nauman from Sidetracked) are both pretty experienced and fair judges - There have been a few close calls, but I dont think they've been accused of making any seriously bad decisions - so we do have a couple of semi-professional judges in Vic so far.
I like the idea of having *1* "guest judge" (out of 3) who may be a competitor, crowd member or whatever. it adds a different viewpoint to the judging, and helps avoid the "groupthink" problem.. and if the guest makes any seriously bad calls, they can be outweighed by the two experienced judges.
Kind of like "Red Faces" (for those of you old enough to remember that ) _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:33 pm
decalkins
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 69
quote:Originally posted by Daniel:
So we can't trust the builders...
Actually, most of our judges are retired builders - or builders who aren't competing at that event.
There are of course builders who've competed for years and
still
don't know the judging criteria. But for the most part, builders make good judges.
What's really interesting is the first few times a builder does judge. "Hey! This is hard!" I only say that because of all the times I've taken crap from builders who insist "I won that one by a mile." when it was in fact a close match. Builder's see matches with very different eyes that judges see them.[/i]
Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:13 am
Glen Experienced Roboteer
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quote:Originally posted by Glen:
this stopped being a fun hobby when?
When we all devoted more of our disposable income to robots than to our savings accounts and "entertainment budget."
Although "fun hobby" and "professional sport" are not mutually exclusive. When it stops being fun, we should stop doing it.
But if you're spending more than 5% of your income on it, it's not a hobby anymore.
Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:43 pm
Nick Experienced Roboteer
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What percentage would I be spending before it's classed as a dangerous addiction? _________________ Australian 2015 Featherweight champion
UK 2016 Gladiator champion
Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:10 pm
Glen Experienced Roboteer
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quote:
5% of your income on it, it's not a hobby anymore.
quote:Originally posted by Valen:
the larger the pool of judges the more accurate the result.
one would assume.
I am wondering if for "big" events we go to 7 judges?
quote:Originally posted by Spockie-Tech:
Often at a big event, some are absent, visiting the canteen, repairing bots or whatever, which means you dont have consistent judging from round to round - sometimes its hard enough just tracking down the 3 judges.
I know Spockie has a very hard time finding 3 judges. So seven is out of the question. unless your able to find them.
Judging is not an easy thing to do. Trying to keep every one happy is not possible no matter what the judging rules / guidelines are and it is not the job of a judge to keep people happy.
I judged to the guidelines for RoboWars 4. I was not out to please anyone or make him or her happy in any way with my decision.
It is only fare that every one has access to the judging rules / guidelines before the event.
Spockie has done this and after judging at RoboWars 4 I think it is a very good system. There is a clear guide to make consistent judging decisions on fights.
There is no right / wrong way of doing it. But it needs to be consistent for every one. as well as every one know what the judging rules / guide lines are before the event.
I'm not saying don't review it. But if there is to be a change, it needs to be very well thought out.
Read the guidelines and judge some matches.
Read guidelines of other robot wars comps from around the world and use those to judge the same fights. See if there is a difference.
There are plenty of videos around to judge. But don’t judge the KO fights. Watch and judge the boring fights. The controversial fights are when the guidelines come into play.
Judge a fight that someone sits in the middle and does nothing but waits for a competitor to ram him.
Judge a fight when two wedges are doing the waltz in the middle. (there are a couple of those from RoboWars 4)
These are the fights that the guidelines are needed and help the judges.
I would of hated to judge some fights with out the guideline provided at RoboWars 4. _________________ It's all about the destruction.
Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:28 am
Valen Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Sydney
we manage 5 at every fight in Sydney.
Though our system is allot simpler than the Victorian one. _________________ Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets
we draw from the pool of builders watching the fight (at random) _________________ Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets
Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:12 am
Bort Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Sydney, NSW
I remember reading a judging guidelines that was sitting around up at the Ideas Festival at Brisbane, and also all the discussions on the forums. But can someone point me to a link to the current judging guidelines so I can have another read?
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